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“When it comes to lying, we may not like it when people lie to us,” opened Mary Ito, a veteran journalist and . “But, really, we lie all the time, right?”

To explore the subject of lying, Ito invited OISE Professor Kang Lee to discuss his ground-breaking research into the subject – particularly in children.

The CRAM podcast was born out of the CRAM learning festival launched in 2019. The goal is the same: to bring novel and innovative research and ideas to the public.

Lee, a recent recipient of the University of Toronto President’s Award, discussed the ins and outs of lying, how he conducts his research, and its impact – including in how child witnesses in criminal trials testify in court.

Check out the podcast episode below.